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Bhaktivedanta Free Mixing College

Manikar Das with Hanuman Das and 47 others.
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Is it a Bhaktivedanta College in Radhadesh (Belgium) or a Free Mixing College? My concise investigative video respectfully answers that. The sordid cesspool that passes off as Bhaktivendanta College runs under the auspices of Sivarama, Yadunandana, Krishna Ksetra, Sacinandana Swamis, (to name a few).
Prabhupada said we’ll conquer the world using Krishna Conscious culture but the poison of western culture is being administered to Prabhupada's grandchildren & to iskcon’s new comers alike by those westernised leaders there. On top they are very cavalier about it. So I had to expose this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aox7mc39lhg
Bhagavat Gita 3.21 Purport by Prabhupada
The king or the executive head of a state, the father and the school teacher are all considered to be natural leaders of the innocent people in general. All such natural leaders have a great responsibility to their dependants; therefore they must be conversant with standard books of moral and spiritual codes.
SB 6.2.4
yad yad ācarati śreyān
itaras tat tad īhate
sa yat pramāṇaṁ kurute
lokas tad anuvartate
The mass of people follow the example of a leader in society and imitate his behavior. They accept as evidence whatever the leader accepts.
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Tat Purusha Wow, I am very disapointed to hear such hypocrisy from the leaders!
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Harshal Dubal Harekrishna, Yes what's wrong in this Varnasankarshrama concept. They are helping us understand how this sloka practically happens :

adharmabhibhavat krsna
pradusyanti kula-striyah
strisu dustasu varsneya
jayate varna-sankarah
(1.40)

When irreligion is prominent in the family, O Krsna, the women of the family become corrupt, and from the degradation of womanhood, O descendant of Vrsni, comes unwanted progeny.

The Kirtaniyas is the nuclear weapon of Maya, which is the biggest platform for seeing this sloka practically.
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Damana Krishna Illicit sex also going on here and there.
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Parama-karuna Das ·
By offending vaishnavas nothing good can be accomplished. Although I agree with many points of this video, although I am strongly against free-gender-mixing tendency in ISKCON nowadays, although I have a personal experience with Bhaktivedanta College and I don't like the way how things are done there, still I have to give you big thumb down. This video tries to defend vaishnava culture in absolutelly uncultured way. Criticese someone on Youtube&Facebook is the mleccha way.
This video is offensive to many Vaishnavas, unless you dare to claim that those people shown and mentioned in the video are not Vaishnavas at all. And anything in spiritual life is not as dangerous as Vaishnava aparadha.
This i actually just another deviation from vaishnava standards which can be seen in ISKCON nowadays - to publicly criticise and offend devotees in the name of "defending good standards". Not less harmfull and dangerous than free gender mixing, feminism etc.
If you think you know how to do things better than others, then do it. You can establish your own school or college and do everything in the way how you think it is right. Many devotees will be happy to send their children to such school. You can do anything you want in propper way - just do it, no problem. But do not criticese others. And if you think that it is necessary to point out the faults of others, then do it with culture and on the propper ground.
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Haridasa Thakur Dasa I think it's important to 'criticise' or give feedback. Constructive feedback improves things! Social media gives a voice and a platform to the people otherwise unheard. Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada welcomed criticism. He saw it as a motivation to improve. So let's criticise to become better devotees.
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Parama-karuna Das · Friends with Advaita Simha Das
Lets do it with the culture, not in the gross yokel gutter-print way. This video is strong in pointing out what is / is not vedic way. In social media anyone can speak whatever he wants - that is not vedic way, that is western libelar way.
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Parama-karuna Das · Friends with Advaita Simha Das
If you want to stand against adopting western culture, don't do the same.
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Dmitriy Yankauskas Those people are misrepresenting Srila Prabhupada so cheating must be exposed publicly in order to protect innocent and non intelligent "followers" who doesn't read Srila Prabhupadas books.

Srila Prabhupada : Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are, for the benefit of others. Facts should not be misrepresented. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. The truth should be spoken in a straightforward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are. If a man is a thief and if people are warned that he is a thief, that is truth. Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it. Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others. That is the definition of truth.http://www.vedabase.com/en/bg/10/4-5


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Haridasa Thakur Dasa I agree doing it with culture (also on social media). Why because you might not get the chance to do it at your local Iskcon center or community.
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Parama-karuna Das · Friends with Advaita Simha Das
I went through several communities (including Radhadesh) and I strongly doubt that sincere devotee doesn't get proper information without social media. This video demonizes Radhadesh and B.C. - have you been there, I lived there for three years and I a...See more
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Parama-karuna Das · Friends with Advaita Simha Das
Dmitriy Yankauskas Do not mistake straightforwardness for rudeness and insolence. I do not see anything in the video to be said "in a straightforward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are." It is rather said in the tendentious way that others will think only the worst about those vaishnavas shown there.
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Haridasa Thakur Dasa Parama-karuna Das Sure Devotees can get proper information without SM, also can get it trough SM. Whats your point here? Sure, I've been there many times and I know some of the students. One of them is a very close friend, he lives in my city. I know the stories he told me. You know these stories too I suppose. I think you are exaggerating in relation to which impression one gets when looking at this video. I didn't got that impression you are explaining above. SM and the internet if used properly can help the truth to rise to the surface, so it can been seen by many. Of course everything in a dual world has 2sides. And this video might has many faults. I mean just discriminate properly. Yes many good things come from SM and so called criticism (Feedback). Always? No, but more often then before.
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Harshal Dubal Params-karuna Pr,

May be Srimad Bhagwatam can put some light on this immediate and aggressive steps taken by devotees featuring the video.

Srimad Bhagwatam (1.16.10)

The state administration of Maharaja Parikshit was so perfect that he was sitting in his capital peacefully. But he got the news that the symptoms of the age of Kali had already infiltrated into the jurisdiction of his state, and he did not like this news. What are the symptoms of the age of Kali? They are (1) illicit connection with women, (2) indulgence in meat-eating, (3) intoxication and (4) taking pleasure in gambling. The age of Kali literally means the age of quarrel, and the abovementioned four symptoms in human society are the root causes for all kinds of quarrel. Maharaja Parikshit heard that some of the people of the state had already taken to those symptoms, and he wanted to take immediate steps against such causes of unrest. This means that at least up to the regime of Maharaja Parikshit, such symptoms of public life were practically unknown, and as soon as they were slightly detected, he wanted to root them out. The news was not palatable for him, but in a way it was, because Maharaja Parikshit got a chance to fight. There was no need to fight with small states because everyone was peacefully under his subordination, but the Kali-yuga miscreants gave his fighting spirit a chance for exhibition. A perfect kshatriya king is always jubilant as soon as he gets a chance to fight, just as a sportsman is eager when there is a chance for a sporting match. It is no argument that in the age of Kali such symptoms are predestined. If so, then why was there preparation for fighting out such symptoms? Such arguments are offered by lazy and unfortunate men. In the rainy season, rain is predestined, and yet people take precautions to protect themselves. Similarly, in the age of Kali the symptoms as above mentioned are sure to infiltrate into social life, but it is the duty of the state to save the citizens from the association of the agents of the age of Kali. Maharaja Parikshit wanted to punish the miscreants indulging in the symptoms of Kali, and thus save the innocent citizens who were pure in habit by culture of religion. It is the duty of the king to give such protection, and Maharaja Parikshit was perfectly right when he prepared himself to fight.

# Now this should be agreed Kali has infiltrated Iskcon like Isis immigrants infiltrating various countries. So when questions are not answered then things comes in public. Humbleness does not mean being mum at the actions that are not Dharma. Here the humbleness turns to compassion of the person to stop such adharma.
Last but not least isn't it also a Vaishnava apradha to point this out to a Vaishnava Srila Prabhupad disciple.
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Harshal Dubal Params-karuna Pr,

May be Srimad Bhagwatam can put some light on this immediate and aggressive steps taken by devotees featuring the video.

Srimad Bhagwatam (1.16.10)

The state administration of Maharaja Parikshit was so perfect that he was sitting in his capital peacefully. But he got the news that the symptoms of the age of Kali had already infiltrated into the jurisdiction of his state, and he did not like this news. What are the symptoms of the age of Kali? They are (1) illicit connection with women, (2) indulgence in meat-eating, (3) intoxication and (4) taking pleasure in gambling. The age of Kali literally means the age of quarrel, and the abovementioned four symptoms in human society are the root causes for all kinds of quarrel. Maharaja Parikshit heard that some of the people of the state had already taken to those symptoms, and he wanted to take immediate steps against such causes of unrest. This means that at least up to the regime of Maharaja Parikshit, such symptoms of public life were practically unknown, and as soon as they were slightly detected, he wanted to root them out. The news was not palatable for him, but in a way it was, because Maharaja Parikshit got a chance to fight. There was no need to fight with small states because everyone was peacefully under his subordination, but the Kali-yuga miscreants gave his fighting spirit a chance for exhibition. A perfect kshatriya king is always jubilant as soon as he gets a chance to fight, just as a sportsman is eager when there is a chance for a sporting match. It is no argument that in the age of Kali such symptoms are predestined. If so, then why was there preparation for fighting out such symptoms? Such arguments are offered by lazy and unfortunate men. In the rainy season, rain is predestined, and yet people take precautions to protect themselves. Similarly, in the age of Kali the symptoms as above mentioned are sure to infiltrate into social life, but it is the duty of the state to save the citizens from the association of the agents of the age of Kali. Maharaja Parikshit wanted to punish the miscreants indulging in the symptoms of Kali, and thus save the innocent citizens who were pure in habit by culture of religion. It is the duty of the king to give such protection, and Maharaja Parikshit was perfectly right when he prepared himself to fight.

# Now this should be agreed Kali has infiltrated Iskcon like Isis immigrants infiltrating various countries. So when questions are not answered then things comes in public. Humbleness does not mean being mum at the actions that are not Dharma. Here the humbleness turns to compassion of the person to stop such adharma.
Last but not least isn't it also a Vaishnava apradha to point this out to a Vaishnava Srila Prabhupad disciple.
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Parama-karuna Das · Friends with Advaita Simha Das
Yes, I could tell the stories and I would not hesitate. I witnessed very bizarre Ramayana Hod Dog Party or Sai-Baba Yajna which I would not describe here, because I don't want to spoil your day, but this video is personally atacking Vaishnavas in the way which is not cultural or nice even on material platform, what to speak about spiritual. Just imagine if I take some halfcut statements from BVKS for example, and then cut some footages of him doing something "nonprabhupadish" and put neon-coloured headline "this man who have done this and that..." and than I watch how others would comment "Oh such a hypocrit" What would his disciples fell and do? But they repeatedly do the same to others gurus including my own. That is REAL PROBLEM IN VAISHNAVA COMMUNITY if I would have to speak about my concerns about ISKCON.
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Hanuman Das Parama-karuna Das, I was kicked out of ISKCON temple for saying divorce is not good and quoting Prabhupāda on that issue. So, I am not sure if you noticed, but there is ideological war going on. Free mixers are banning everyone who doesn't agree with from ISKCON temples, so yea, we fight back. And since when is disagreeing with some who talks nonsense constitutes offence?

If you preach nonsense, there is price tag attached to that. You will be exposed as ignorant.

So, please talk with leaders who are promoting free mixing and tell them there are quite a few people who don't agree and who fight back. And they should stop this nonsense of calling it offence.
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Dmitriy Yankauskas Morning Conversation — April 29, 1977, Bombay –
Prabhupāda: So far gurukula is concerned, that also, I have given program. They have given the name of “girls.” We are not going to do that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is that?
Prabhupāda: Girls. Boys and girls. That is dangerous.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Gurukula.
Prabhupāda: In that article.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, oh, oh.
Prabhupāda: Girls should be completely separated from the very beginning. They are very dangerous.
Tamala Krsna: So we’re… I thought there were girls in Vrindävana now. They said that they’re going to have the girls’ gurukula behind the boys’ gurukula. Gopäla was talking about that.
Prabhupada: No, no, no. No girls.
Tamala Krsna: It should be in another city or somewhere else.
Prabhupada: Yes. They should be taught how to sweep, how to stitch…
Tamala Krsna: Clean.
Prabhupada: …clean, cook, to be faithful to the husband.
Tamala Krsna: They don’t require a big school.
Prabhupada: No, no. That is mistake. They should be taught how to become obedient to the husband.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, you won’t learn that in school.
Prabhupada: Little education, they can…
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. That they can get at home also.
Prabhupada: They should be stopped, this practice of prostitution. This is a very bad system in Europe and America. The boys and girls, they are educated-coeducation. From the very beginning of their life they become prostitutes. And they encourage.
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William G Benedict Who believes in the words of the ambassador from the Supreme Personality of Godhead?
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Dmitriy Yankauskas Morning Walk — March 14, 1974, Vrindavan –
Satsvarupa: Srila Prabhupada, is this school for women also, or just for men?
Prabhupada: For men. Women should automatically learn how to cook, how to cleanse home.
Satsvarupa: So they don’t attend varnasrama college.
Prabhupada: No, no. Varnasrama college especially meant for the brahmana, ksatriya and vaisya. Those who are not fit for education, they are sudras. That’s all. Or those who are reluctant to take education, sudra means. That’s all. They should assist the higher class.
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Dmitriy Yankauskas Lecture on SB 1.3.13 — Los Angeles, September 18, 1972 –
Prabhupada: So dealing with woman… Especially instruction are given to men. All literatures, all Vedic literatures, they are especially meant for instruction to the men. Woman is to follow the husband. That’s all. The husband will give instruction to the wife. There is no such thing as the girl should go to school to take brahmacari asrama or go to spiritual master to take instruction. That is not Vedic system. Vedic system is a man is fully instructed, and woman, girl, must be married to a man. Even the man may have many wives, polygamy, still, every woman should be married. And she would get instruction from the husband. This is Vedic system. Woman is not allowed to go to school, college, or to the spiritual master. But husband and wife, they can be initiated. That is Vedic system.
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Manikar Das haribol haribol Parama-karuna Das You said, "Criticese someone on Youtube&Facebook is the mleccha way." Why did you come out on the SAME Facebook to criticize me? Why?
When I criticize on Facebook you call it mleccha way BUT wen you criticize me (the critic) on THE SAME facebook, is it the Gokola Vrindavana way?
You said, "And anything in spiritual life is not as dangerous as Vaishnava aparadha. "
How about your aparadha towards me, dont you know - anything in spiritual life is not as dangerous as Vaishnava aparadha?
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Parama-karuna Das · Friends with Advaita Simha Das
I do not criticise you, I criticise the video, which is horrible.
Video doesn't criticise problems in ISKCON, it criticise directly the devotees, personally.
The diferrence is obvious.
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Manikar Das the video is critical of the problems in my opinion. in your opinion it is an ad hominem attack. so let opinions remain opinions. haribol.
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Hanuman Das Video is great. Free mixing is not opinion, it is deviation.
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Manikar Das The video criticizes devottes personally?
I have not said that Krishna Ksetra, Sivarama Swami, et al, none of them have broken the 4 regs or have chanted less rounds.
We are against their malrepresentation of SP's culture and we are not really really against their personal lives.
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Manikar Das You said, "Video doesn't criticise problems in ISKCON, it criticise devotees, personally.".
The moment you say that there is a problem in a temple. It implied that there must be 3 causes for the problem.
Adhyatmik, adibhautik and adhitdaivik.
Instilling western values in the pupils at Radhadesh was done not by a flood or a volcanic eruption (adhidaivik) but by a person. So we must find out who those persons are that are doing this malpreaching.
The fact that you have acknowledged that there ARE problems mean who have also to acknowledge the implicit fact that there are PROBLEM MAKERS.

How can a iskcon-leader who directly supports free mixing be ever called anywhere to deliver a class on "no illicit sex". Free mixing is the very root of illicit sex!
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Parama-karuna Das · Friends with Advaita Simha Das
I would really like to know if your spiritual master would approve and appreciate posting this video publicly.
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Manikar Das "Just imagine if I take some halfcut statements from BVKS for example, and then cut some footages of him doing something "nonprabhupadish" and put neon-coloured headline "this man who have done this and that and than speaking doing"
This is not the same. These clips that i have cutout and pasted are from THEIR OWN OFFICIAL VIDEOS. Not that i have made clips from some other random video and falsely cut it together and made a false documentary, as Sacinandana Swami makes false celibacy
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Manikar Das Haridasa Thakur Dasa and Dmitriy Yankauskas prabhus
Dont worry about him. He is a soft liberal who got angry because we exposed the people he adores, who have their hands dirty in preaching a lot of bad culture. And now he came here to look for some revenge because he knows very well (like we do ourselves) that he can't get any justice from Iskcon.
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Manikar Das "would your guru approve it" bhuu huuu huu
You could not make one sustainable intelligent objection against this "horrible act" of ours and so you decided to do some emotional blackmailing to make ur point, typical liberal!!!
you people are very predictable.
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Parama-karuna Das · Friends with Advaita Simha Das
This conversation loses any culture, sorry I am leaving.
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Manikar Das For the record, no hard feelings against Kadamba Kanana Swami, he is excellent. Went a little silent on the VEB-WMM matter but he's alright.
He's one of the rare gurus of iskcon who
1. Know what are kirtan standards
2. Do not support poor feeding/Food For Life
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Manikar Das You lost my respect when you said soemthing this silly. which i would nor any half baked iskcon scholar would bother to give a reply to

"If you think you know how to do things better than others, then do it. You can establish your own school or colle...See more
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Manikar Das ohh i found something interesting. the man has a liberated wife it seems...

This sanctimonious vaishnava aparadha policeman is married to a woman who enjoys leading kirtan for men.
No wonder he took offence to our varna ashrama promoting and free-mixing reporting video.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206088822235930&set=a.1414196591283.2056094.1123607680&type=3&theater
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Hanuman Das When I see her sing, my brahmacarya increases exponentially.
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