The discussion was on whether devotee girls should have fashion shows or not. Phillip was against the notion.
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Rachel Ward • 7 days ago
What a great way to bring the devotional culture from the temples into the mainstream. People ask me all the time where they can get skirts like mine. It's nice to tell them, and then devotee families benefit financially. It's also nice that my children aren't limited to the same tired old saris and gopi skirts. They have devotional clothing that fits their fashion sense. Win.
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Phillip Davies Rachel Ward • 6 days ago
fashion sense = vanity is, in a simple way, it is to fulfill material enjoyment. I understand that young devotees will like to experiment with their clothes, My original comment was because of the pictures in the article which did not feature children.
Pradyumna Das
Rachel Ward Phillip Davies • 4 days ago
Respectfully, all of the pictures in the article feature someone's children. They have grown up in the movement and developed their own style. The next generation won't be like the last. We can allow the sastra to remain unchanged, but the movement will die if the next generation is not enlivened and more people are not attracted.
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Phillip Davies Rachel Ward • 4 days ago
the people in the particular picture I have in mind are not children they may have been born into a family of devotees (very fortunate) , It does not change the fact that, The mind is the distraction, it dwells upon the sense objects, the nice clothes, how someone else percieves them. it is a difficult process if one makes it so by allowing these simple pleasures to creep in, But Lord Krishna assure Arjuna " asam svayam maha baho..." gita, it is possible to control the restless mind with suitable practice and detachment"" . we can not dilute the process it is what it is. we can make it hard for ourselves, or relatively easy (relatively speaking, every day be fixed)
Pradyumna Das
Phillip Davies • 7 days ago
I cant help but think this is, very much in the Bodily concept, the I am this body idea, that we are supposed to be trying to get beyond. we dress the deity to the best of our ability, we dress ourselves modestly to help us get beyond the bodily concept. Haribol, pradyumna das
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Rachel Ward Phillip Davies • 7 days ago
Our bodies require clothing. It may as well be clothing that we like. The clothing that these devotees design is modest and it is designed like traditional devotional clothing. The colors and patterns are modern.
Phillip Davies Rachel Ward • 6 days ago
some of the pictures, were not very modest, clothing that we like is a distraction, clothing is to cover ones nakedness, like or dislike is irrelevant it is sense gratification.
Pradyumna das
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Rachel Ward Phillip Davies • 6 days ago
Hmmm. Are you saying that you don't have a favorite color? You don't choose your clothing or your household items in colors that please you? What about your japa bag? Do you like the color? Is it plain or does it have decoration? Many devotees choose decorated japa bags to attract them to them. Is that not the point? We become attracted by material things and we develop the taste for the nectar over time.
Phillip Davies Rachel Ward • 4 days ago
attraction to the material, is a distraction, decoration of the body is a distraction, the body and its (pseudo) pleasure is a distraction. We try to be devotees, we live in a Karmi world, we do our best not to be part of it, we eat simple food wear simple clothes. BUT, if something that you do fixes your mind upon Krishna then do it, never forget Krishna, always remember Krishna.
YS, Pradyumna Das
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