Download Bhakti Vidya Purna Maharaj's refutation of Female Diksha Guru Theory.
Some part is transcribed.
“This other [modern]
one is not a solution. You know, the men they deal nastily with the ladies.
They say mataji with a cringe on their lips. So now the men say Prabhu instead
of mataji. Now it solves the whole problem? You know. How does that work? You
can say Prabhuuuu with a cringe on your lip also. Plus you got the
"bhuuu" so you can spit at the same time, you know. You call ‘matajiii’
there is not chance to spit (laughter in background) you got to wait.”
“But no, there are some examples in lines in history”. But
who cares if Prabhupada says, "it is not" and he is quoting from
shashtra. Who cares[about those examples that people may bring out]?
Because if I say, let's say, there is another modern issue [for
which] I have examples from history, right? And if it goes against the modern
principle, then what would be the point? [The people will say,]"Well Prabhupada
does not talk about it so we don’t we don’t accept it". But if Prabhupada
does talk about it and you find an example to oppose it and it supports the
modern [values] and it supports the modern, then it is something to discuss -
so this is politics. This not philosophy. This is not spiritual. It's just down
right, you can say, 'equal opportunities'. What does it mean? You know I’m
saying? The difficulty is that these aren't defined. And if you push the issue
then you just get emotional blowup which is how a woman deals with these
things. In another words, if a woman wants something but she knows it's
logically wrong. As soon as you logically approach it then she immediately
becomes angry and stops talking and stuff like that the natural defense. You
know crying this and that. You know she just brings it back to her so then you
have to drop it, "ohh ohh no no no" Like that. That is just the way
it works. And we are going to accept that is how we are going to deal with such
an important philosophical point? That shashtra doesn't...That's why shashtra
doesn't support it. It is very simple. It is very straight forward, you know.
And people may say this and that and we are not this body and so many things.
Yes we are not the body but the body is the body. You have to understand that
I'm not the body but the body is the body and it has a nature and it functions
according to that nature. No 'ifs'. No 'ands' and no 'buts'.
“you are talking about insanity”
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“everyone is going feel the brunt of it. The temple
presidents especially because it’s her disciples that are in the temple and
things have to go the way she wants because she is the guru. The zonal acharyas
of the 80s are kids stuff compared to a woman being guru because the others
[zonal acharyas] don’t pull an emotional trip. They feel…they may get emotional
but as soon as you point it out, they say, “ya ya right”. But you trying doing
that on a woman [point out that she is being emotional], its not going to work.
It’s only going to create havoc”
"Point is, if you do have an exception which is on the
liberated platform. It’s an expection [Jahnava Mata, Gangamata Goswamini]. That
exception, as Vishvanath points out proves the rule. We take- an exception
breaks the rule. That is the difference between the vedic and the modern. If
you have an exception it breaks the rule. [In] the vedic, if you have an
exception it proves the rule because it is only this exception. That shows the
rule stands. And the exception is an exception. So, therefore the principle of
exception means there is only an exception. You can’t make a general rule-
women can’t be gurus. That is against the rules. It is against Krishna, it’s
against shastras, it’s against what Prabhupada teaches. And to make it, it is
against women because you can imagine how much trouble the men are going to get
for this woman guru now imagine what the women are gonna have to go through.
That’s gonna be…you’re gonna see riots.
And then, now what’s that woman guru is going to feel when
there is a temple where the community doesn’t want her to come. And she’s got
this, “I was a this and that”. What’s going to happen? You just tell her there
is a thing that can’t do something that she wants to do, as an ordinary thing
and there is a total meltdown. Let alone something that is seen on this
[platform]: You are on the highest position and you can’t do. This is gonna be
devastating. And then where is that… and because this is a social issue here.
I’ve said from the beginning. It is social from beginning to end. There is
nothing spiritual about it. If it is about spiritual and preaching you can do
that as a siksha guru. Therefore then, where is that social support for such a
guru? Where is that support? Who is giving it? Where is that ideal husband?
Where are the ideal families and communities that are going to support a woman
on this great of a meltdown? It is hard enough to find someone to support on
little day to day issue: You came out and somebody moved your shoes and you
freaked out. Let alone, like this: Someone removed your disciples or doesn’t
want you coming to the temple, doesn’t want you dealing with disciples.
They do that to the men gurus. There are men gurus who are
not allowed to go to certain zones because the administrators don’t appreciate
how they deal with. And they’ve had……..melt downs. And those are men. And those
are tough men. I’m not talking about weak men. I’m talking about tough men. And
so now what’s gonna happen to the woman? Because her whole sense of ownership
has been questioned. And that [this sense of ownership] is the point of
strength of a woman. That’s why you have to tell her that you love her a
million times, right? But she is not going to tell thet man that because he is
the one who has to figure that out? So every body is gonna have to contantly
telling her how great she is. So, I mean, whose business is that? That is a
husband’s business. That is the family’s business, father’s business, son’s
business, you know, close friend’s, well wisher’s business. Not everybody [who
is] general’s business because diksha guru is a formal position. So it is
a formal relationship. So that formality doesn’t warrant this.
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So this is a total lack of understanding of the
masculine and feminine principles which is shown in the 3rd Canto. And
everybody is here talking like Caitanya Caritamrita or something. This is the
3rd Canto. Social issues...Can't even figure out varnaashrama. So if you can’t
figure out varnaashrama so ‘position of women in varnaashrama’ is a detail. So
how are we going to know that? ‘How communities work?’ All these things are…all
those are within. Then you can discuss it…
Discuss it means we can discuss it pleasantly. This
other...this kind of thing...you know...we've been talking...[for] 5 years so
this [FDG issue] goes smoothly. But if you put this into a general
environment...you've got fireworks after the first two words.
"It’s not based on spiritual values. No one should fool
themselves on this. It’s based on social values, modern social values that
women should be diksha gurus."
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