Ramesvara: Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Hm.
Ramesvara: Some people say that Darwin was paid by the British...
Prabhupada: Yes, I said.
Ramesvara: ...to make propaganda.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Ramesvara: Against religion.
Prabhupada: Not against religion. Against Indian culture.
Ramesvara: Against Indian cultu...
Prabhupada: Yes. Britishers made so many attempts that "Indians were uncivilized, and we have come here to make them civilized."
Ramesvara: So for colonialism.
Prabhupada: Yes. Just to... Because there are other powers, so they are envious that "Why these rascals, they occupy India?" So, so just to support this occupation, I mean to say, yes, occupation, and..., they made so many propaganda. Even during Gandhi's movement, they engaged one American woman to write a book "Mother India." "Mother India." "Mother India." So the... In... That "Mother India" is simply full of stories where there are so defects. Suppose a priest in the temple is attached with some woman, like that, so many stories like... So one Punjabi, what is his name? Gobha, (?) Gobha. He counteracted that book -- "Uncle Sam." (laughter) So these things are going on.
Madhudvisa: Is that where that name came from, "Uncle Sam"?
Prabhupada: Uncle Sam is the American word?
Trivikrama: Yes, yes.
Pancadravida: No.
Prabhupada: And he described the American life in so, mean, badly.
Pancadravida: Is there any...
Prabhupada: And Gandhi said, "This Mother India is the drain inspector's report."
Tamal-krsna: The drain inspectors?
Prabhupada: Yes. Sewage inspector report. These things will go on. So long people will remain in darkness about Krsna consciousness, these things, rubbish things, will go on. I'll find out fault in you; you'll find out fault in me. That's all. Because the basic principle of material civilization is envy. I do not like you; you do not like me. That's all. Envy. Everywhere, individually, nationally, socially, familywise -- everyone is envious. That is the material disease. And therefore in the Srimad-Bhagavatam it is said that dharmah projjhita-kaitavo 'tra paramo nirmatsaranam [SB 1.1.2]. Those who are interested in superfluous religious system, cheating system of religion... Just like the Christians, they say that "Christ has taken contract for all our sinful activities."
Trivikrama: Yes.
Prabhupada: This is cheating system. Once Christ advised that you, you should not act sinfully, and then he takes contract for all your sinful life. How cheating it is, directly cheating.
Pancadravida: Who was cheating?
Prabhupada: These so-called Christians. They say that "We are very weak. We can not restrain ourself from sinful activities, so we believe in Christ, and he has taken contract for suffering. That's all."
Trivikrama: "So let us go on sinning."
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